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2002 - June 15, Prescriptions & Alternative Medicine

Kennedy's Disease Chat Transcript 06-15-02

Topics: Prescriptions & Alternative Medicine

Host: Terry Waite

Chat Participants:

terryw
bruce
mikeg
wapita
rea
peter-s
johnm

billeric

daveg

terryw -- {welcome terryw}
rea -- {welcome rea}
bruce -- {welcome bruce}
peter-s -- {welcome peter-s}
johnm -- {welcome johnm}
billeric -- {welcome billeric}
daveg -- {welcome daveg}
wapita -- {welcome wapita}
terryw -- hello rea
rea -- good morning
rea -- I sent u an e-mail
terryw -- under what name?
rea -- Ruth
rea -- I feel like a kid in a candy store. this is all so new to me
terryw -- OK, Ruth, Welcome, More should join soon
bruce -- {welcome bruce}
bruce -- Goo Morning, World!
bruce -- That is GOOD Morning
rea -- hi bruce
bruce -- Hello, how are things going today?
terryw -- Hi Bruce
rea -- well, it is cold and damp here how about you
bruce -- Cool, damp - I guess the same. I am in the Philadelphia area.
Where are you located?
rea -- I am in NY
bruce -- I have family in the Phoenix and Tucson area. They say it is very
hot there. 110 - ouch!
rea -- not far from u Bruce
bruce -- I was watching the US Open - what a miserable way to play golf.
It weren't for the money, they probably wouldn't be playing this week.
terryw -- It's been hot here, I am filling in for Susanne who had to do
some work this morning preparing for a week out of town on business in
Chicago
terryw -- Ruth, how is your husband handling the KD diagnosis?
terryw -- Maybe he can join in on the chat someday if he feels like it.
rea -- terry
rea -- Tommy died
rea -- it is 8 months now
terryw -- Oh, I am sorry,
rea -- he was diagnosed when he was 40
rea -- he did prepare me and himself
rea -- but he stayed with me for 17 more years
terryw -- I am sorry Ruth. my wife has been communicating with you mostly
and I went back to find your e-mails and I misread it. I am truly sorry
rea -- that is OK terry
rea -- terry
rea -- Tommy took no medication
terryw -- TY Ruth
peter-s -- {welcome peter-s}
bruce -- Hello, Peter
peter-s -- Hi all this is my first time doing this so I hope it all goes
OK I'm from Tasmania Australia and its 12.24 am on Sunday
bruce -- Peter - don't you know it is time for bed down there?
peter-s -- way past my bed time. I guess you guys are all from USA
terryw -- hi Peter, glad you stayed up to join us
rea -- hi peter
peter-s -- looking forward to the discussion. How does it go And hi to
all! This is quite exciting!
terryw -- Yes Peter, We wanted to have another chat time for our friends
in your part of the world but we needed a volunteer to host the chat but
had no one come forward yet. HINT HINT
peter-s -- OK Ok I get the hint
terryw -- I take ULTRAM for Muscle pain I get
terryw -- Has anyone read about Green Tea?
peter-s -- Yes I have it often
terryw -- I just read a study on Green tea and the possibility of it
slowing muscle wasting
rea -- Tommy did not like tea. he was stubborn
rea -- lol
terryw -- It said that green tea has Antioxidant qualities that slows
deterioration
bruce -- Green Tea appears to be good for almost anything. I drink Bantcha
Twig Tea every day (it is the stems of the green tea - no caffeine).
terryw -- I have read that you have to drink 7 cups of green tea a day
peter-s -- I am taking barley green and Creatine Has anyone else tried that
bruce -- What is barley green? I haven't heard of that before.
terryw -- I am not sure bruce
peter-s -- barely green is cut barley grass that is dried and powdered. It
tastes and smells like grass
bruce -- LOL Peter - how do you get it down?
peter-s -- You hold your breath and gulp! it is supposed to activate your
system to enable it to receive the good stuff you are supposed to follow
up with
johnm -- I don't like to take anything that I have to hold my breath for.
peter-s -- Further information Its made in the US and the brand I use is
by AIM and it comes from Nampa id (where’s that)
bruce -- Peter, do you find these two items helpful? How long have you
been taking them?
rea -- am I the only female with all u good looking men
terryw -- LOL, Thank you Ruth
rea -- no
bruce -- Ruth, Well, I can't speak for Peter, but Terry is the only good
lucking guy that I know of on the chatroom.
peter-s -- I’m certainly not the hulking Aussie male. This thing has
certainly taken away any chance of that
rea -- have u all met in person
terryw -- Some have met Ruth. A whole bunch more of us are going to meet
this Oct at the Kennedy's Conference in Baltimore
johnm -- {welcome johnm}
bruce -- Hello, John. Welcome - We have a lovely group this morning.
terryw -- Hi John
peter-s -- Hi John
rea -- terry tell me the date for Oct please
terryw -- Ruth its Oct 13-15 on our site there is lost of info www.kennedysdisease.org
rea -- tks terry
terryw -- It would be good if you could come Ruth
rea -- I will do my best would like u all to know me and tommy
terryw -- Does anyone here get QUEST magazine from the MDA?
rea -- yes I do
terryw -- Quest Magazine did a major write up on Kennedy's disease this
last issue 4-5 pages
terryw -- the only thing that they forgot to mention in the article is us
as a support group for Kennedy’s disease.
terryw -- From the article in QUEST magazine it looks very promising for a
future cure or treatment for KD. At least that’s what the doctors are saying.
bruce -- Let's all pray the article is right. Our future generations depend on it.
terryw -- Yes
johnm -- Terry, it's just too bad that it probably won't come in time for most of us.
terryw -- This came from the doctors that will be at our conference in
Oct. We will learn more info from them there
johnm -- Hi all from rainy Florida this morning.
peter-s -- My treatment has changed my life around. I don’t know how or why
but my naturapath is working wonders on me
terryw -- what is Naturapath?
peter-s -- Sorry Terry, my bad spelling, you know someone who does
traditional medicine
terryw -- Peter, what kind of treatment is your Naturapath doing for you?
peter-s -- OK Its a number of things. First I have reflexology and cranial
sacral massage. I have a diet rich in Omega 3 fatts (fish and greens ) as
well as an antioxidant called microhyrdrin, barley green and Creatine
Omega 3 supplements, calcium magnesium tablets and LOTS of carrot and
celery juice. I see the lady once a week and went from being the ultimate
skeptic to a true believer
peter-s -- I’ve just looked at my typing My only excuse is that its late here
johnm -- Peter, don't worry about your typing and spelling. We all have the same problem.
rea -- can I ask u all something
bruce -- Please, Ruth
rea -- are u wives helping(if married) and any children(besides adoption)
peter-s -- My wife is my tower of strength
terryw -- I don’t understand the ? Ruth. Please clarify if possible
bruce -- Ruth, my wife is a saint. I don't know what I would do without
her. We have two children - one adopted.
rea -- u have a child normally
rea -- well terry
bruce -- In fact, I find it interesting that she would want to put up with
me as I go through all of this. It must be love!!!
terryw -- No Kids here
rea -- I brought Tommy home on a ventilator
rea -- I was his nurse
johnm -- My wife also really helps me. Sometimes she does things she
really doesn't need to.
terryw -- Susanne has not been on any kind of birth control for may years,
and still no kids
rea -- not care giver but nurse(nodegree)
rea -- we could not have kids
rea -- do to the disease
rea -- hate that word disease
rea -- I would rather use condition
peter-s -- yeah Ruth disease is like you can spread it like the flu or
something
billeric -- {welcome billeric}
terryw -- I have had fertility tests and they say I have quality but not
quantity but I guess that does not matter
terryw -- it only takes 1
rea -- terry it does not matter
rea -- so did Tommy
bruce -- Ruth, I lost my brother this winter (another KD'r). His wife and
children went through a lot for three months. I emphasize with you.
rea -- bruce I had Tommy home for 4 months
johnm -- Ruth, how old was Tommy and how long did he have KD?
rea -- John
rea -- Tommy was diagnosed when he was 40 and he died at age 57
rea -- 8 months ago
rea -- listen guys
rea -- I don't not what you all to be down
terryw -- Hi Bill
peter-s -- hi bill
rea -- no motility
terryw -- I am extremely careful not to be around sick people who have colds
rea -- STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE COLDS, THE FLU
rea -- if u guys get sick with colds or flu it lasts forever
terryw -- Yes Ruth, colds can be killers for KD individuals
billeric -- Sorry for the lateness folks, had trouble getting on
peter-s -- But once you are on you can talk to people who can share. This is great guys
bruce -- I don't take any medication or natural supplements. I tried some
for a time or two. I use Qigong and Yoga today as my way to cope and stay
healthy and happy. Whatever works....
peter-s -- You are right Bruce What works for me may not for other . I'm
no expert, just a guy whose been told he had KD
johnm -- I only use vitamins and one 300 MG neurontin per day.
billeric -- I use one multivitamin , 4 neurontin and 2 400 vit. E a day.
johnm -- I take 2000 IU vitamin E, 1000 vitamin C, Vitamin B1 complex,
Multivitamin, and 600 MG Caltrate +D
bruce -- I also take natural vitamins - E, B complex, C and a multi. I am
not certain they do anything - but it don't hurt.
johnm -- I guess I don't see much help from the things I take either,
terryw -- I have no problem with adoption, it would just have to be a
child that is 2-3 years old that can help care for themselves because I
feel I could not care for an infant myself while Susanne works
terryw -- I am so glad that we have a good turn out today for this chat.
It has been slow in here lately.
bruce -- I think the host brings out the best in people. You are a
natural draw, Terry.
peter-s -- Terry to replace Jay leno
terryw -- Thank you Bruce. Its all of you that keep me going
terryw -- without you all I would be down
peter-s -- I know how you feel terry. I had a session of dry drowning last
night and went to bed really depressed.
terryw -- I hate those Peter
peter-s -- Scared the life out of me and the family. The worst part was
that I was drinking a glass of red wine and it went all over the paper.
What a waste. Has anyone had any had any success with any treatment for that
billeric -- I have never experienced the dry drowning bit. Thank goodness.
bruce -- Peter, I am have been successful - it only happens to me rarely
these days. Mostly when I am not thinking about what I am doing. I do a
throat massage every morning and evening and that seems to help.
peter-s -- Thanks Bruce. What does that involve
rea -- u all can do this there seems to be some help for u all
daveg -- {welcome daveg}
peter-s -- hi daveg
terryw -- Hi Dave, You are new to the chat?
terryw -- Dave where are you from?
bruce -- Hello, Dave.
daveg -- Hi Terry have just registered and working out how to do this
terryw -- Dave have you Joined the KDA?
daveg -- Yes - I signed up a couple of months ago- my first time on the chat though
terryw -- Dave you from AUS?
peter-s -- daveg my first time too. chat virgins
daveg -- Yes to both of those Perth Western Australia -losing my chat
virginity is not too scary!
peter-s -- How long did it take for people to get their diagnosis I was
told it would take me three months
rea -- Tommy was diagnosed with ALS at first
rea -- then sma
terryw -- Peter once its sent to the labs here in the USA it takes about 10 days
rea -- finally we read about a blood test in the mda mag
johnm -- Ruth, I think all of us were diagnosed with ALS first.
rea -- so it did take some years
bruce -- I was one of the fortunate few that was correctly diagnosed. Of
course I was fortunate enough to have Fischbeck as my doctor.
rea -- I wrote to him years ago to ask for help
terryw -- rea, you get QUEST?
rea -- yes
rea -- still do
terryw -- It's a good magazine
rea -- yes it is now
peter-s -- Daveg Hi mate another aussie. I’m from Tasmania. Its time we
took these guys from the states on!
rea -- Bruce
rea -- bruce
peter-s -- Ruth Yes I was diagnosed with ALS or motor neuron disease
first. Boy was that an ordinary 6 weeks until the doctor said no that’s it was KD
terryw -- I helped self Diagnose myself
rea -- so did we
bruce -- Peter- "ordinary 6 weeks" - I can about imagine.
peter-s -- how much excise do people do
rea -- doctor told us not to
bruce -- Peter, I exercise two plus hours a day (morning and evening).
But, my exercise is Qigong - it doesn't cause any damage if performed
correctly. I also meditate for 30 minutes after each practice.
johnm -- I don't do much exercising at all. A few arm and leg exercises in
the morning is all.
bruce -- I used to do regular exercises (weights, squats, etc.), but they
did more harm than good.
rea -- don't over do it
peter-s -- Ruth you are right. luckily have my guardian angel (wife )nto
keep me in check. I feel so good now. gone from walking only 10 metres to
walking 4 km each night
terryw -- that’s great Peter, Wish I could
johnm -- Bruce, SQUATS???? I would never get up if I tried that.
peter-s -- squats would test me
rea -- no squats!!!!!!!!!!!
terryw -- I look like a infant when I get up off the floor. I am on al
fours and my but is in the air
rea -- just do some walking
bruce -- That was a few years ago, John. Today my only wish is to be able
to get up off the floor each day.
terryw -- Look just like a baby trying to get up and walk
rea -- lol
billeric -- No squats here either. Can't get up once I am over center.
rea -- there are now special chairs that help
peter-s -- ha ha I know what you mean. I left the gym as they had no
weights small enough and all the ladies used to wup me
bruce -- I have a technique now where I place a card-table chair next to
me and I go from the floor to the chair - then it is pretty easy to get up
from there.
johnm -- I don't even try to get up off the floor any more. The only time
I do is if I end up there by mistake, and then have to crawl to something
to get some help.
terryw -- Ha Ha, I could see myself at the gym. Some big muscular guy over
me with a bar with no weights, saying Push Push! I'll spot ya. LOL
daveg -- Bruce, do you think doing weights accelerated the deterioration?
Or would it have happened anyway?
rea -- yes that is what Tommy did
rea -- BILL
daveg -- I take a fold down fishing stool with me anywhere out of doors so
that if I sit on the ground I have got something to pull myself up with.
bruce -- I know I damaged my muscles. Of course, I always pushed a little
to hard and far. Denial - or something. That is when Qigong came to my rescue.
rea -- we were at the als clinic in NYC
terryw -- My doctors could not figure it out so I helped by trying to find info.
johnm -- I didn't go for the blood test until my cousin told me about KD.
terryw -- That’s one reason we formed the KDA
rea -- it was right there in the mag
rea -- we asked for the blood test
terryw -- To get the word out since there was very little info prior to the KDA web site
peter-s -- daveg do you have an email mine is This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
rea -- there was no info for us
terryw -- I think only myself and Patrick had sites talking about it
peter-s -- the KD page was so good. Terry, you were a godsend for us. we
left the specialist not knowing a thing about KD
terryw -- We are getting very close to doing a mass mailing of a KD
brochure to 9,000 Neurologist about KD
terryw -- Its a very nice brochure
terryw -- we have been working on it for a while. It's almost done
rea -- terry send me a brochure please
daveg -- Hi Peter - been watching Cricket and Rugby tonight to stay awake
-must be pretty late in Tas -
peter-s -- Terribly late daveg and cold as one thing. I've got a blanket
over my legs
rea -- Tommy has a first cousin in New Jersey that has it
rea -- u men are so lucky we had NOTHING
peter-s -- how slow/ fast have people decines been and has anyone improved
billeric -- My feet are my most concern now. Burn like the devil after a
little walking. Any ideas?
rea -- foot powder
terryw -- Bill, that’s the Lactic Acid burn from the feet muscles
peter-s -- billeric- come to tassie right now cold enough to fix that
problem. I used to get that now they just tingle
terryw -- over used
rea -- has nothing to do with KD from what I have learned
rea -- Tommy never had that problem
rea -- and he did a lot of walking
peter-s -- bruce, what Qigong and where could I find out about it
bruce -- For starters, try my web site: http://www.geocities.com/bgaughr/
It will get you started. There are some links to help find local teachers
in the world. Send me your email address and we can chat more about it.
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peter-s -- thanks bruce
peter-s -- you'll have to send me pictures
rea -- terry
rea -- really of use
rea -- over use
terryw -- I walk on my heels, I pound them so hard they hurt
terryw -- My balance is gone
rea -- feet and legs got tired, but never burning
terryw -- a wind can knock me off balance
peter-s -- Terry. I did that and walked on the outside of the soles of my
feet. like I was walking on hot coals
rea -- I know
terryw -- Bruce will be at the conference giving a session on it
rea -- just a small crack in the sidewalk
billeric -- I walk flat footed. Thought I may be using some different muscles.
johnm -- Terry, my balance is gone also. I have to have something to hang
onto whenever I walk.
bruce -- Heal pain is fun - you are right Terry. I am also concerned about
a good gust of wind in the winter time.
terryw -- I can put no load on the front of my feet. I will collapse
billeric -- Me too Terry
terryw -- I walk on my heels through the house. I sound like godzilla coming.
Boom Boom Boom
rea -- gentlemen
rea -- I am going to leave u all we have been there in everything u say
rea -- please if u need your wives to talk
rea -- e-mail me rea This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
peter-s -- take care Ruth
rea -- or caregivers
terryw -- Thanks for coming Ruth
bruce -- Take care Ruth. Thanks for joining us today.
terryw -- Ruth we have special Caregivers and wives chats from time to time
rea -- thank u all really
rea -- please let me know I might be helpful
billeric -- By Ruth
terryw -- OK Ruth, thank you again
rea -- {goodbye rea}
peter-s -- does anyone swim
billeric -- During the winter Peter.
terryw -- I love to swim Peter but have not in quite a while
bruce -- Peter, I enjoyed swimming. It was just getting out of the water
(or ocean) afterwards that was my problem.
terryw -- Same here Bruce
peter-s -- I know what you mean. That was my first indication I has a
problem I went skin diving and the tanks and weights made it impossible
for me to get back up
billeric -- Sun City, AZ. pools are handicap designed. So are lots of the folks.
terryw -- Bruce, last time I tried that I tried to walk back out of the
waves and could not, they knocked me down and I laid there foundering in
the waves like a beached whale until someone helped me LOL.
peter-s -- good comment billeric. I manage a service for people with
disabilities. I didn’t think I'd possibly end up as a client!
johnm -- Sun City Center, FL pools are handicap designed also but I
haven't taken advantage of them like I probably should have.
daveg -- Peter I swim but we are fortunate to have a public pool which has
walk-in access through the kid's paddling pool. I can't manage swimming
pool steps anymore. Swimming in the ocean is just too scary these days,
getting in and out ...
peter-s -- I had the same experience terry. so much for the bronzed aussie
heroat one with the surf!!
billeric -- Agree peter.
terryw -- At least in California we have the baywatch crew to help me :)
terryw -- So now I fall more often at the beach if you know what I mean :)
peter-s -- Pammy and the guy who used to have a car that talked to him.
Scary Terry, stay out of the surf
johnm -- Terry, with my luck it would probably be one of the big burly GUYS!!!!
bruce -- Terry, you'll do anything for attention!
terryw -- LOL
terryw -- Bruce,, that’s just me.. you have to learn how to work this
disability to your advantage.
peter-s -- sympathy and pity that always gets the girls
terryw -- I always position myself in front of a lifeguard tower with a
cute girl lifeguard.
peter-s -- can I ask question again. Has anyone improved at any time
terryw -- Not Myself
johnm -- Peter, I haven't seen any improvement. My decline has been
gradual though.
billeric -- No improvement here.
bruce -- Peter, from my perspective, that is a difficult question. I am
better than I was five years ago in most areas. A few areas are worse. I
am better mentally and emotionally and in many cases physically. But, I
haven't reversed the process. I have learned to live with it and to use
muscles and train other muscles to help compensate.
wapita -- {welcome wapita}
terryw -- Hi wapita, Where are you from?
wapita -- {goodbye wapita}
peter-s -- how many people have family members who seem to have the condition
billeric -- None here peter
terryw -- I have 2 brothers that I think have it but have not been tested yet.
johnm -- I just talked to my brother and he has a feeling he has KD but
doesn't want to be tested. He is 51.
peter-s -- yeah john m my brother 42 is the same
bruce -- Well, guys, I have to sign off. We are going shopping. Thanks for
the entertaining and enlightening time. Hope to chat with you again soon.
bruce -- {goodbye bruce}
terryw -- Goodbye Bruce, Take care
billeric -- See ya Bruce.
peter-s -- talk soon bruce. I’ll email you
johnm -- {welcome johnm}
terryw -- John, You get booted out of chat?
johnm -- Terry, yes I did. No apparent reason.
peter-s -- do people have weakness in all of their bodies or only in
ce3rtain parts, say like legs
peter-s -- my word it must be late my spelling is so bad
terryw -- Peter my weakness is whole body
billeric -- Legs, shoulders, arms the most noticeable peter.
terryw -- I also have vocal weakness and lungs
peter-s -- mine is only in the lower part of my legs. it feels like the
muscles are always tight. its been suggested that I have hereditary spinal paraplegia
johnm -- Peter, only in legs, arms and hands.
peter-s -- that means I could be a fraud! I' may have to hand back in my membership
terryw -- Peter my symptoms stayed in my legs for 4 years before it
progressed up to the rest of the body
peter-s -- cool terry. Just as long as I can ride my bike for a few years
peter-s -- motor bike that is not pedal power
terryw -- Peter when you walk long distances or ride do your legs burn
afterwards, get real hot to touch?
johnm -- Peter, I liked the pedal power. I really miss being able to ride.
When I got here 10 years ago I was still riding and really got to check out the area.
peter-s -- no they used to feel really rubbery like I was drunk after the
change in diet and reflexology they got better They feel slightly crampy
in my calves after as long walk, say 5km +
billeric -- What basically did you cut out of your diet peter?
peter-s -- red meat coffee processed carbs like chips you know all the good things
terryw -- Peter do your legs still have reflexes at the knee?
peter-s -- yeah they still kick out when tapped but a little slower
johnm -- My knees have no reflex action at all.
terryw -- Most KD individuals lose Knee reflex action early on/
peter-s -- Oh I feel I should go and test them to make sure I'm not kidding myself
terryw -- within first few years
terryw -- Peter, were you going to e-mail a picture for your story
peter-s -- yea I will do that this week. have to go to the beautician.
work just got a digital camera so look out
terryw -- We have about 10 min left for the chat. It will auto cut off at that time.
johnm -- Terry, this one will be really hard to get in line. We have
really covered a lot of subjects. It may take a little longer to get it back to you.
terryw -- OK, No problem John. Thank you
peter-s -- tomorrow is going to be write off its 1.35 am I haven’t been up
this late since I was a teenager
terryw -- Peter I appreciate you staying up so late to join us
peter-s -- this is really great. I have a great support group but they
haven’t got this dammed thing. Its good to share
billeric -- Gotcha peter.
billeric -- We feel the same. Neat deal.
johnm -- Peter, glad we are all here to help in any way we can.
peter-s -- I reckon I have had the condition for 3 years. gradually getting weaker
terryw -- Yes Peter, we are here every other week in chat.
terryw -- You are always welcome, even if your diagnosis comes back as Non KD
peter-s -- I'll be here as long as its on a weekend and my hectic social
life dosnt interfere (LOL)
terryw -- {goodbye terryw}
terryw -- {welcome terryw}
billeric -- By Peter
terryw -- LOL Knocked myself out
peter-s -- see you soon terry I'm off too as its now late take care guys
johnm -- Looks like you had a little problem also, Terry.
terryw -- see ya later
terryw -- whos still here, its going to cut off in mins
peter-s -- I'm still here Oh there's the log out button
peter-s -- {goodbye peter-s}
johnm -- I am.
billeric -- I am still here
daveg -- I'll say bye and thanks for the chat
terryw -- I am going to go also,, Bye all
billeric -- Thanks terry
johnm -- Good Bye all. Talk to you next time.
terryw -- {goodbye terryw}
johnm -- {goodbye johnm}
daveg -- {goodbye daveg}
billeric -- {goodbye billeric}

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